From: john1@interport.net (Fred Cherry)
Subject: Re: Whining to Sysadmins is Censorship
Date: 07 Jul 1995 00:00:00 GMT
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Subject: Re: Whining to Sysadmins is Censorship
Date: 4 Jul 1995 05:55:00 -0400
vicric@panix.com (Vicki Richman) wrote:
>  Fred was one of the founders of the League for Sexual
> Freedom, which predated Stonewall by half a dozen years. The
> group supported gay rights. (Lesbians called themselves gay
> back then.)
That is not correct. I was launched by Paul Krassner, editor and publisher
of THE REALIST. In issue # 48 of that magazine Krassner published an item
that I was founding an organization called The Committee To Legalize
Prostitution. The distinction between legalization and decriminalization
was not clear at the time. I actually meant decriminalization, even though
I said legalization. Krassner also launched Madalyn Murray, who went on to
found The Society of Seperationists, the number # 1 Atheist group in the
United States.
A couple of months later I was invited to join the New York City League for
Sexual Freedom. The League for Sexual Freedom was formed in '63. I joined
the League in '64. Our greatest publicity triumph occurred on 8/23/64 at a
demonstration in front of the Women's House of Detention, which no longer
exists. I was the central figure of that demonstration. There was a story
in the New York Daily News that took up half a page and had my photograph,
which appeared on page 16 of that paper's edition of 8/24/64. The VILLAGE
VOICE had the story and my picture starting on page 1 in its issue of
8/27/64. I appeared three times on the Morton Downey Jr. talk show in '87
and '88 as a spokesman for decriminalization. I sued the State of New York
for a declaratory judgment that the laws criminalizing prostitution are
unconstitutional go to a law library and look up the case of Cherry v.
Koch, 491 N.Y.S. 2d 934 & Cherry v. Koch, 514 N.Y.S. 2d 30.
You know, I wasn't always a homophobe. here is how it started. By the way,
I have posted this information previously. You probably didn't see it,
because, at that time, I had not learned the art of crossposting.
Here's what homosexuals did to me. In 1964 the NYC League for Sexual
Freedom was a coalition of people with ALL sexual orientations. We did
demonstrations on various subjects. One of the demonstrations we did was
the first demonstration ever held in the United States for homosexual
rights. I have documentation for that. There is a book published by Alyson
Publications of Boston titled: THE FIRST GAY POPE AND OTHER RECORDS, by
Lynne Yamaguchi Fletcher. The demonstration we held is mentioned on page
66, although the book has a couple of details wrong. I also have
documentation that I participated in that demonstration. You have
undoubtedly seen copies of the homosexual magazine THE ADVOCATE on your
neighborhood newsstand. In 1972 it was a homosexual newspaper. On page one
of issue 96 dated 10/11/72, one of the headlines read WATCH OUT WORLD, THE
PERVERTS ARE TAKING OVER! The story, by Randy Wicker (the same person who
organized the demonstration the League for Sexual Freedom held for
homosexual rights). Starts: "BROOKLYN--A straight man who participated in a
1964 demonstration against the Army's anti-homosexual policies refuses to
say how many copies he has mailed of a "monster postcard"........"
Anyway, after this homosexual rights demonstration, the homosexuals in the
League elected a lesbian feminist of the Andrea Dworkin persuasion to head
the League. She then announced that as a lesbian feminist, she was
absolutely opposed to decriminalization of prostitution, and that there
would be no further demonstrations favoring the cause of decriminalization
of prostitution. That was enough in itself to force me out. There was
something else. The League started to involve itself with advocating
homosexual child-molesting. They had the League's literature published for
free in exchange for an add in the League's literature in behalf of the
"International Journal of Greek Love." The name J.Z. Eglinton popped up.
I have forgotten exactly how. Either he was to speak at a League meeting or
something else. Now, if you read the alt.sex newsgroup, you will notice
that the topic: "pedophilia info" keeps popping up. Roy Radow a proponent
of homosexual child-molesting, gets some stooge to ask about "pedophilia"
and then Radow, a member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association
(NAMBLA), proceeds to spout the NAMBLA propaganda. Among other things, he
recommends the book: "Greek Love by J.Z. Eglinton. Oliver Layton Press, New
York, 1964." That's the SAME Oliver Layton Press that was publishing the
"International Journal of Greek Love" in '65. That fact was enough to drive
out any heterosexuals who weren't driven out by the League' changed stance
on prostitution.
That last time I posted this material people told me that I shouldn't have
become a homophobe because of one lesbian. It was NOT one lesbian. It was
the entire Mattachine Society. The NY City Mattachine Society, the first
homosexual rights organization on the East Coast of the United States, sent
those homosexuals to take over the NY City League for Sexual Freedom. This
lesbian was elected to head the NYC League for Sexual Freedom for the
purpose of making the League into a front organization of the Mattachine
Society. Furthermore, at that time, the Mattachine Society was the ONLY
homosexual organization on the East Coast of the United States. Ever since
that time I have been a homophobe. In fact, my homophobia has reached such
depths of depravity that when I go to a drug store, instead of asking for
Ben-Gay, I ask for Ben-Fag. However, now that Vicki Richman has come to my
defense, I will have to moderate my tone.
> Fred supports the right of lesbian, male, and transgendered
> prostitutes to conduct business openly and legally. He
> regularly joins the Pride March with that message.
I do NOT regularly join the anual Gay Pride March with a pro-prostitution
message. The march didn't used to allow such a message. The march used to
have anti-prostitution messages. Specifically, the march used to have a
group called MEN AGAINST SEXISM. This group is headed by John Stoltenberg,
Andrea Dworkin's stooge. This group opposes heterosexual pornography and
opposes heterosexual prostitution.
This year there was no such group in the march. I was watching on the
sidelines to see what organizations were marching. All of a sudden I see
Priscilla Alexander marching along with a COYOTE (Call Off Your Old Tired
Ethics) banner. So, I marched along with that group for a few blocks.
> He was a volunteer observer in a civil-disobedience campaign
> in support of prostitutes against the New York Police
> Department. I covered it for Majority Report, the feminist
> and largely lesbian biweekly. Many of the participants were
> lesbians. (In fact, that may be why the demonstration
> failed to gain a single arrest. The cops took one look at us
> in heels and makeup, and laughed.)
I don't believe that this is correct. The demonstration consisted of women
dressed up to appear to be prostitutes. When they were approached, they
would hand out literature in opposition to the newly-enacted loitering law.
There was nothing illegal about this. Some of the women looked quite
attractive to me. If I hadn't known that they weren't prostitutes, I would
have propositioned at least one them. I believe that the police were
informed about this demonstration and were very careful not to arrest any
of the demonstrators.
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